Ending the battle between vegans, vegetarians, and everyone else | Brian Kateman | TEDxCUNY

Ending the battle between vegans, vegetarians, and everyone else | Brian Kateman | TEDxCUNY

Translator: Ghadir Younes
Reviewer: Denise RQ Can we save our planet? Will we continue to have access
to water, food, energy, and other ecosystem goods
that our planet provides? Each hour, three species disappear. Each day, 10.000 people die
from water shortage or contamination. Fourteen billion pounds of garbage
are dumped into the ocean every year; most of it is plastic, and it will take
nearly a thousand years for it to degrade. Due to global warming,
the Arctic may be ice free, and thousands of cities,
including New York City, may be underwater. You’ve all undoubtedly heard
of many of these statistics before, and likely, at least so far,
you aren’t impressed. (Laughter) Yet still, in some sense, these facts
turned societal platitudes, motivate us. They certainly motivate me, and I, perhaps like many of you,
am the typical environmentalist. I gleefully present my refillable cup
to the Starbucks barista, I love to shop at Trader Joe’s,
and I always bring my “Go green” bag. If you are anything like me, I spend one to two minutes
in a fit of confusion trying to recycle the fork, bowl, napkin,
and food that constitutes my salad. While my New Yorker instinct
is to avoid eye contact with an over-eager side walk
soliciting environmentalist, I proudly flash them a smile. Simply to remind them
that I support what they do. And as I reflect on my eco-friendly day,
I sleep like a baby knowing I made a difference. I know what you are thinking,
“You could do so much more,” and you’d be right. I could do a lot more. I could compost, and I don’t. I could walk to work
through Central Park, and I don’t. As one environmental campaign suggested,
I could get clean and save water by showering with a friend
or even an attractive stranger. (Laughter) Don’t get too excited for me, I shower alone, often,
for many minutes at a time. (Laughter) Undoubtedly, we all could do more, but what if I told you that I did make
a more difficult sacrifice for our planet? What if I told you that I am a vegan? (Laughter) Did you feel that? (Laughter) You did. One word and everyone
gets a little bit nervous. You can be honest with me,
this is TEDx, it’s a safe space, you feel a little awkward. Why? Because I am a vegan?
And presumably, many of you are not? What is that about? Well, we’ve all had
that conversation before. You are out to dinner
with a friend or colleague, and you learn that the person
you are with is a vegan. You had no idea, you are surprised, and while the person in front of you
may not look like this (Laughter) or like this, your perception of them
has immediately changed. There is no going back to whatever it was
you thought of them before this moment. Back at dinner, the vegan likely feels
compelled to explain to you that while he or she is a vegan, by no means does your culinary decision
inspire offense. You, in turn, decide to kindly acknowledge
that reconciling gesture, and attempt to, very quickly, move the conversation along
to a more unifying topic. Yet, you still feel whatever it is you or your neighbor
might be feeling right now. A tinge of nervousness,
a pulse of discomfort, the manifestation of a mouth twinge,
or the eyes widening. There is me, and then there is you. And somehow, our perception
of one another is no longer the same. Well, as it turns out, I am not a vegan. (Laughter) Uff! (Laughter) I am sorry to all the vegans in the room
who have lost one of their own. (Laughter) To the rest of you, you can safely take a deep sigh of relief knowing I’m a carnivore just like you. But whatever connotations
are in the word vegan, and the experiences
those connotations create in our mind, I am absolutely fascinated by them, and think they may hold, at least in part,
a key to solving complex problems like global warming
and the loss of biodiversity. Semantics aside for just a moment,
we all know that vegans and vegetarians, the modern day pioneers
abstaining from meat, are onto something, even if we ourselves
choose to eat eggs and meat. We know our planet is in trouble,
and we know that meat production, from the clearing of lands and trees
to the transportation of these products accounts for nearly 20% of global
green house gas emissions; 20%. That is why a vegetarian’s footprint
is nearly half that of a meat lover’s. And for a vegan, it’s even lower. We also know that meat production
requires a lot of water. Producing just one pound of meat protein requires ten times the amount of water
as producing one pound of grain protein. It’s a lot of water. We also know,
perhaps most morally salient, that due to factory farming,
animals are not treated very well. They’re not. They are incredibly smart
and experience pain just like us. So as we look into the eyes
of this very adorable baby pig, we have to ask ourselves, “Why do over 90% of Americans
continue to eat meat?” Bacon! (Laughter) Bacon is the reason we eat meat. For many, the mere smell
of bacon in the morning, that crispy crunchy texture,
that savory salty taste, they give us a reason to smile. That spicy buffalo wing, that juicy steak,
they are the reason we eat meat. They satisfy our most primal urges. So what should we do? On the one hand, we know that meat
gives us a reason to smile in the morning, and on the other, we know
it straddles our instincts to uphold our sense of morality, with it’s questionable
impact on the planet. Plus, as some
of the medical literature suggest, meat may not be very healthy for us. Certainly, we can treat
each meal as a choice, as it you indulge, or make
a more restrained decision, we could simply eat less meat
and more fruits and vegetables. That seems simple enough,
and as many have suggested, if we simply followed
a meatless Monday diet, whereby we abstain from
eating meat on Mondays, we’d have a billion vegetarians overnight. That would be huge. But what is a person who eats less meat? They may not be a vegetarian, or vegan,
or even on any particular diet. Where do they fall on the spectrum? I’ve discovered
that there are a few words, each with their own connotations, to describe a person who eats less meat. You could say: I am a semi-vegetarian, I sometimes eat meat,
and sometimes I don’t. You could say: I am a mostly-vegetarian, I mostly eat fruits and vegetables, I sometimes eat meat,
but I try not to eat a lot of it. Or you could say, and this one
is by far my favorite: that I am flexitarian;
I am flexible about it. (Laughter) Sometimes I eat meat,
and sometimes I don’t. So, imagine we’re back at dinner,
and the person you’re with has just explained to you
that he or she is a vegan. You decide to enthusiastically share
that you get it, “I am a flexitarian!” “I am flexible about it!” (Laughter) “I sometimes eat meat, and sometimes I don’t,
but I try not to eat a lot of it.” As you continue to eat your steak, and here she continues to eat
her vegetable kheema ball, you realize, perhaps unconsciously, that you still fall somewhere different
along this moral landscape. We know with simple intuition,
that flexitarian sounds, well, flexible. That by choosing to eat meat sometimes,
as opposed to never eating meat, you alter your moral standards
for primal urges and convenience. It’s weak, and it’s inconsistent. As we know from advances
in cognitive science, the brain does not do well
with inconsistencies, it loves false dichotomies,
and need compartmentalization. And we can see how this plays out, one minute, you are a noble lover
of all forms of life, and the next, you are a ravenous animal,
or at least, ravenously eating one. So, whatever it is about words
like flexitarian and vegan, we know they conjure entirely
different perceptions of who we are. And that these perceptions matter. This seemingly innocuous labels
to describe our eating choices matter a great deal. They determine how seriously we are taken,
how our messages are understood, and our feeling of belonging. Consider our related example,
climate change versus global warming. Scientifically, they have
different meanings, one refers to climate,
while the other temperature alone, but regardless of what they actually mean, they conjure different
mental associations. A 2014 study from Yale University
found that the term ‘global warming’ was associated with greater
public understanding, more emotional engagement and support
for personal and collective action than the term ‘climate change.’ Global warming generates more intense worries and negative
reactions than climate change. That is why I try to use
the phrase ‘global warming’ more than ‘climate change.’ So, we see the same type of problem with words like flexitarian
and semi-vegetarian. They all describe incredibly positive
steps to the more sustainable planet, but they largely invoke
negative associations, feelings of division,
and moral incompatibility. So it occurred to me, we need a word
that describes a community of individuals who are committed to reducing
their consumption of meat, and can encourage others
to reduce their consumption of cows, chickens, pigs,
lambs, and seafood. It is my hope that this word
is ‘reducitarian.’ That it can inspire a community
of individuals to simply eat less meat. I bet many of you here today
are already reducitarians. How many of you try to eat less meat? You are all reducitarians already. And to my vegan and vegetarian friends,
you too are reducitarians, because you are so very much committed
to reducing your consumption of meat. Reducitarianism is the practice of reducing one’s personal
consumption of meat; red meat, seafood, and poultry. Reducitarians may still enjoy
the taste of meat, or not concerned with making
a drastic lifestyle change, but they are committed to reducing
their consumption of meat nonetheless. With more fruits and veggies, reducitarians live longer,
healthier, and happier lives. They set manageable
and therefore, actionable goals to gradually reduce
their meat consumption. For example, they may order
a smaller steak, or skip eating meat for dinner
if they had it for lunch, or simply eat meat only on the weekends. Reducitarians know
that by choosing to eat less meat, they are not only going to improve
themselves and the environment, but farm animals, as well. The concept of reducitarianism
is appealing because not everyone is able or willing
to follow a completely vegetarian diet. This is a difficult
but important realization; not everyone is able or willing to follow
a completely vegetarian diet. A Gallup poll conducted in 2012
asked a diverse group of Americans the following question, “In terms of your eating preference, do you consider yourself
to be a vegetarian or not?” How would you respond?
What do you think they found? What they found was that on average, only 5% of Americans
consider themselves to be a vegetarian. But what was so interesting
about this 5% is that it remained
largely unchanged from the 6% that was recorded in 1999 and 2001. In other words, the amount
of vegetarians in the United States has remained about the same:
extremely low. As you might imagine,
this percentage is even lower for vegans. Similar statistics have been observed
throughout the world. just in case you aren’t convinced, a separate study found that among those
who consider themselves to be a vegetarian nearly two-thirds of them had indicated
that they’ve recently eaten meat when they were asked to recall their diet. These individuals were not vegetarians
or vegans, they were reducitarians. But they were forced to play
mental gymnastics with themselves without a word to describe who they are. And this used to happen
to me all the time. My friends and family knew
that I was a vegetarian. Once in a while,
we would go out to eat, I’d order bacon with my eggs and pancakes, and they would literally
catch me in the act red handed, eating a slice of bacon. (Laughter) Do you know what it’s like
for a Jewish vegetarian to be caught eating bacon? (Laughter) That is a double whammy no one wants
to experience with their morning coffee. So look, what I think this means is that even though we know
it would be better, more healthy, and environmentally friendly
if everyone just stopped eating meat. This is an ideal, a romantic ideal, that we have been unable to achieve. This message of completely eliminating
meat consumption has worked very well, or somewhat well, for the individuals who are
vegetarians or vegans, but has failed to capture
the attention of the rest of us. The 95% of us
who continue to inhabit this planet. So yes, reducitarianism
is a message for the 95% of us. We should consider eating less meat for the sake of our health
and the environment. We can learn a lot from
vegans and vegetarians who have so admirably reduced
their meat consumption, that they effectively eat none at all. But vegans and vegetarians
can also learn a great deal from those who simply strive
to eat less meat. In many ways, the use
of categorical imperatives that we must never eat meat,
has put vegans and vegetarians and those who simply strive
to eat less meat in a boxing match for moral superiority. It’s exhausting, and as the data suggests,
largely unproductive. Reducitarianism is a message that allows us to focus
not on our differences but on our shared commitment
to eating less meat, regardless of where we fall
on the spectrum. I believe that this reducitarian message
will absolutely terrify the meat industry. Because it is a message
that will produce the greatest impact on the causes we all care so deeply about. After all, what could possibly matter more
than the increased well-being of our health and the environment. It is my hope that we can
leverage “reducitarian.” A positive and inclusive term
of moral worth to encourage ourselves
and others to eat less meat, improving our health, and the environment, and making a lot of animals
very happy in the process. It starts with us, all of us,
to encourage ourselves and others to simply eat less meat. So this is my message to you, consider eating less meat this week,
and be a reducitarian. You can change the world
by ordering a smaller steak, or doing something more. But don’t just sit by and ignore
what you already know. Consider eating less meat
and be a reducitarian. Save our planet, improve your health,
and save a lot of animals. Thank you so much. (Applause)


  1. I appreciate Brian's message. Most people are too brainwashed into thinking they need meat and dairy and are also addicted to the standard American diet to think about the damage it causes. If this helps them kill the planet less quickly, kill fewer animals, and maybe not destroy their own health, then great.

  2. I'm vegetarian, but not vegan. I don't make any moral superiority claims. Humans are omivores and eating some meat is natural. It is indisputable that the vast quanities of meat produced are bad for the planet, however, is that a symptom of too many people eating too much meat, or just a symptom of too many people? Industrialized society has made it possible to support much larger populations than before, but it also isn't as in tune with nature and isn't sustainable on the long term.

  3. We should all figure out our diet how much of what and how often. Not pro Vegan not pro vegetarian or meat eater, figure out what works for you so you can be healthy and then you will realize that you really do not need anywhere near as much calorie intake as you used to, in my case I eat less than a quarter of what I used to eat not vegan, not vegetarian but I significantly waste way less, I don't think there is one diet for all it's something we have to figure out on our own

  4. “It’s not okay that the Nazi’s are killing millions of Jews and minorities in concentration camps—genocide is immoral and wrong. So let’s reduce the killing by only doing it on Monday’s.”

  5. So many adults are basically still little children mentally. They don't have any independent thoughts. Vegetarian/Vegan is really the only way if you want to eat FOOD and not the dead rotting corpses of innocent murdered beings. You're all fools! And if you listen to fools…THE MOB RULES!

  6. We are not carnivores
    We do not need meat to live
    We do not need to eat a level one carcinogen (meat) to live
    We do not need to kill to live
    We only do so because of the propaganda from the meat and dairy industry

    Be Kind
    Go Vegan

  7. Here's a different point vegans need to consider: what about the hundreds of thousands of local/rural farmers whose livelihood is based off of raising and producing meat? I'm not talking about mass industry farming, I mean small, independent farms, and the people whose farms have been in their families for generations. These people take great care of their animals, they are humanely killed, and they use the whole animal for various products. Are we supposed to ignore this fact? Are we supposed to tell these people that they're wrong and call for the demolition of their businesses?

  8. You can still eat meat with same taste but better nutritional benefits. This meat is plant based alternative.

  9. I don't think we should be working on trying to reduce animal product consumption but simply work harder towards eliminating completely. You don't tell a smoker to just switch to 1 cigarette a day, you work your way to 0. Meat is killing the consumer, the planet, the animals and starving 3rd world children across the globe. Simply stop. eating. animal. products. It's 2019, never been easier, beyond meats, vegan cheese, vegan eggs, vegan milk…

  10. Wow a lot has changed in 4 years. Wonder if he is a vegan now since so many more vegan products are coming out and it's becoming easier and more popular to be Vegan by the day.

  11. Uhhhhhhm but veganism is about animal rights…. am I missing something? So you only pay others to kill for you "sometimes". Well. Good for u I guess? I feel like he definitely makes some great points on global warming, but most vegans and vegetarians do not eat meat bc they kind of don't feel like paying for death, just sayin…

  12. They will only become facts when they are proven by the scientific method, NOT variable inputs into computer models.

  13. THIS!! You got it figured out man! I'm switching my label for sure to reducetarian. I follow a vegan diet.

  14. AMAZING TALK! i agree! vegan/vegetarianism might not be a optimal diet for everyone, and introducing reducanism is a very good thing, i am trying to reduce the amount of meat im eating. Hopefully some of the vegans in this comment section could be more open minded about it, because some here were not very open minded and i wish they could understand its not that easy for other people to stop, and that reducing the amount of meat could be a better option for us, and maybe even a stepping stone to cutting it out completely,

  15. I am a vegan but I didn't do it overnight. I replaced meat, then fish, then eggs, then dairy. It is definitely better if we all went 95% mostly plant based than 5% strictly plant based. I went to Uganda recently where my food carbon footprint was much lower than it usually is. It was still vegan but not really processed, and it was local. A Ugandan who eats some meat but is mostly plant based probably has a smaller carbon than me as it has barely any packaging and few travel in cars, etc. In Uganda, there are also far fewer farm animals in Uganda than in the UK. People there do eat less meat.

  16. If somebody told me they were a flexitarian, sometimes they eat meat and sometimes they don't…I would think "okay so, basically, you've found a new way of framing the standard diet. You're making a joke or something." um, ha ha ha
    The other thing is think is "wow, this person's really weird"

  17. I think like he we need to examine where we are and do the best with what we have, not everyone can eat the same way and for the same reasons. I will state though to be a good raw vegan you need to live in an area that supports that, but sadly because it requires so much plant life the humans living there to grow it organically and naturally would kill the plant life off because the demands would be so high, so like animals similar to us we need to eat what is native to our areas and not move it around the world creating all sorts of environmental problems, it is not simply about plants vs animals but the habits of what humans do. We should see a more simple and natural life that is reductionist in all areas of life except for love being religious and spiritual about it.

  18. Reducitarian is just another excuse to keep eating meat as before.
    Yes, we all have to stop eating animals, so reducing it is the beginning. But it’s just the beginning.

  19. I do the best I can to become vegetarian, but for me is a slow change. I only eat fish but I try to leave it too and only eat soy meat. I also started trying to replace milk with almond milk. I live with my family so is not only my change, but the change of my family getting used to my new life style. I think it could be a lot easier going "almost vegan" living alone, even though I'll probably never stop eating eggs and honey because I love it and as long as we don't hurt animals I don't believe that using what they produce is bad

  20. Watch Dominion on Youtube. You'll want to stop eating animals all together, not just reduce.

  21. Anyone who isn’t vegan is just making excuses for their lack of compassion by choosing taste, a sensory detail, over sentient life.

  22. There shouldn’t be a battle. People should respect other peoples choice. I’ve not heard of any omnivore protests but certainly heard of plenty vegan ones. Intolerant left.

  23. balancetarian – eat only what you need , dont waste food , produce as much as you can by yourself , meet your butcher , meet local farmer , dont buy in supermarket all the time . .be conscious . balance is the answer – but – greedy producers must realize that first.

  24. I am a Vegan and I am proud of you… People think of veganism as a perfectionist lifestyle, one slip and you are ashamed to call yourself vegan. It's refreshing to see people who accept their occasional slips and still not get discouraged about their efforts… It's ok to be a bad vegan before being a good vegan and it's ok to being a bad vegan than being a non vegetarian… Kudos to you my friend…

  25. Judging by the comments the only people watching this is vegans anyhow. Like many debates don't hate someone for having their own personal opinion that is different from yours. If you want more people to stop eating meat, the first step is to be friendly and help educate not abuse them, they will never be vegan then.

  26. Reducitarian … less meat … but suffering and programmed death keeps happening while you decide which way to go … The nature of man is to be a gatherer, not a hunter. As you say, it is proven that meat and its derivatives do not contribute anything positive to the body. It is not a football team competition … if reducitarian, vegetarian or vegan … it is the lives of innocent beings that are at stake. Vegan is the answer, I'm sorry, but that's right, it's not my "invention", it's the verification of a whole community that is getting bigger and bigger. Peace, respect, kindness, love and compassion 😀

  27. Hmm… I can see how this could be good but it should be a stepping stone to veganism in my opinion.

  28. Yes we can save our planet. Cut down the bloody human population. That makes more sence that any other argument. Cut down the population and everthing else is less necessary.

    Forty years ago the population was half it is now. In twenty five years it's going to double again to the state of impossibilty. It really is the only answer. What else can we do?

  29. To all who are reducing, that’s great! Hopefully your goal will be to eventually go vegan. 💖🌱

    It took me ten years to go vegan. An overseas trip at the time got me thinking about it. First I ditched red meat (easy as I didn’t fancy it much anyway), then chicken, then the little dairy I ate, then eggs, and the hardest of all was giving up salmon.

    As a previous people pleaser, I hated confrontation, hence the very slow transition. I was eating plant based at home but would succumb to pressure when I was with others.

    A few life incidences along the way forced me to look deep inside, and then align my morals and values with my actions. Been vegan almost three years now and I just don’t see animals or their excretions as food anymore.

  30. Stop being a wimp. Just go vegan and be done with it. It is very easy to just purchase food from plants instead of exploited animals.

  31. some vegans are ok like this guy. However the ones that are so focused on converting people can be almost religious in a way, and they have to resort to bullying or pressuring into becoming a vegan.

  32. I rarely eat any meat, but when I do I expect quality; not meat from factory farms but from pasture fed animals. Factory farm meats = disease. Other than that, I am mostly vegetarian. I do eat organic eggs from local farms.

  33. I can understand people trying reducitarianism if they’re doing it for their own health or the environment, but honestly, if you’ve seen what happens at factory farms and been moved by it then you simply CAN’T bring yourself to eat or wear animal products. It’s a matter of motivation, and what your ultimate goal is.

  34. These labels get so confusing, yet this idea of "reducitarianism" is revolutionary!! I am telling everyone I know about this! It really bridges the gap for those in between the two diets and it has a spectacular message.
    Personally, I'm a pescetarian. Not so surprisingly many people don't know what this is so I often say "a vegetarian who occasionally eats fish".
    This guy is a genius and he's handsome too lol. 😀

  35. It’s not meat that is harmful, it’s processed foods (mostly sugar and wheat). Fruits from Ecuador and garlic from China have a pretty high carbon footprint. If you don’t want to eat meat don’t do it. I will not be joining you.

  36. But then… How can I be a Viking?
    If 99% of the world stopped eating meat. Vikings could still do what we've been doing for ages.

  37. A Vegan world is a "romantic ideal?" So was ending institutionalized human slavery. Reductionist philosophy is morally bankrupt. No, it's not HARD to do the right thing and STOP exploiting animals and the planet. This is why non -Vegans shouldn't do speeches about this subject. I'm sure the animals who have to die for reducitarians really appreciate this approach.

  38. Nice! I don’t eat meat but sometimes I have honey. I’m always say I eat plant based food and then almost everybody gets confused 😐

  39. As a European, I'm a little amused ànd uncomfortable about the image vegans have in the US. 
    From Netflix series to TEDx talks, vegans are demonized or at least laughed at in the American media.
    Could it be (trying to come across as sincerely puzzled) that the huge influence of farm businesses play a role in this imagery? 😉

  40. A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step. But before that step is taken, there is a THOUGHT of a journey, that occurs BEFORE the single step. Many recent investigations show that plant protein is superior to that provided by animals. So why do we not have a high protein ground covering (instead of lawn grass) that can be harvested on demand with a simple electric device, that will take the place of animal protein around the world? Could this idea start a journey, too? Maybe it is already here? I like the idea of the term "reducetarian" as referring to a general life style, in keeping one's demands on the planet at a minimum, and includes diet as well.

  41. 👎Whatever you said is completely wrong. What you are doing is manipulatism in favour of medical industrial complex.

  42. Nothing wrong with choosing to eat it, but I think everyone who does should consider eating less meats. There is Nothing wrong with increasing your vegetable intake.

  43. Even though I personally don't like all these labels, it was a good speech with a good message, but I would have liked him to at least mention getting your reduced meat from a good source (local, organic etc.). Yes, I bet people will cry out about the cost, but if you eat meat from a good source once a week, I bet you pay the same or even less than you would for non-organic food 5 times a week.

  44. We're not cows we need animal protein and many other things. See you when you get sick 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    By the way he doesn't look healthy 🤔

  45. Unfortunately this message lacks urgency. The most significant, quickest, and cheapest way to improve our environmental conditions is to stop eating meat and dairy. Cheaper than buying an electric car, cheaper than solar retrofits, and something we can do right now. The message to simply reduce eating meat is similar to the message we've heard for a very long time to eat or drink something in moderation for our health. Everyone has a different definition of what moderation is and none of us is very good at it. I agree that if people significantly lowered their meat & dairy consumption to say one meal per week we would get somewhere. Unfortunately it's very hard to get accustomed to a whole foods plant based diet if you're always teasing yourself with animal foods. And in terms of dairy, which is addictive, it's even harder. We have about a decade to fix this ship; it's sinking fast. To quote a famous 16 year old: "I want you to act as if your house is on fire." It's not about us anymore, not about our feelings being hurt or our food preferences. It's a state of emergency.

  46. If you buy leather shoes or wallets or belts then you are not a vegan.
    Car seats, office chairs, what else is animal skinned. It's not just what you eat, it is a way of life. Too many hypocrites.

  47. I like the idea of reducetarianism, but it didn't work for me. Well, with that I mean a gradual reduction of meat consumption didn't work for me. Because I have kind of an addictive mindset and when I eat meat once, I want it all. So I decided to go full stop and become a vegetarian, and I went vegan recently. But any reduction is a lot more than nothing!!

  48. Reducaterian can be used for enviromental issues. But the health activists need to use whole foods plant based diet (and on a population base reductionism makes sence but not always for individuals). And the moral/ethical aspect needs to use the term vegan.

  49. You can start as a reducetarian but the end goal should be vegan, gradually adapting vegan lifestyle. Veganism is a social movement apart from other important functions it has, it vows to bring justice to other sentient beings who are used, abused and murdered by humans .

  50. Reducetarian is just as wishy washy and mental gymnasticy as Flexitarian. Be a reducetarian all you want but if someone tells me while I eat that they only eat "very little meat" I am not impressed. There is a reason you feel uncomfortable being a "flexitarian" but thinking just sticking another label on does not change that you do not want to give up your bacon.

  51. I became a vegetarian 5 years ago and for the same moralistic reasons became a vegan 6 months ago. It wasn't difficult at each stage. We're all animals, so why should we eat our fellow beings? As for 'so called' Global warming and climate change ' I am not taken in by the current frenzy inducing propaganda. Let's all respect the right to life for all beings.

  52. Wow, such a big load of bulshit!!!

    First of all, regarding the mentioned reasons why you think people become vegetarians/vegans, I can promise you that even if eating animals was not hurting the environment at all and also the animals were given the best treatment and conditions in the industry, still most of the vegetarians/vegans would not eat them!

    The reason is that pigs/chicken/cows/fish/etc.. have feelings, intelligence, feel pain, has unique personality and life that matters to them, just like dogs or human babies, therefore no vegetarian/vegan will murder such an animal for just a better taste.

    Most vegetarians/vegans hate people who do that, sure they hate less someone who eats(murder) less animals but they still hate him!

  53. I can't stand the "whine" paired with Vegans. When Solyent Green becomes the standard diet–Vegans will be highly prized for their qualities. I encourage everyone to go Vegan, but for purely selfish reasons. Pass the fava beans and fresh whine.

  54. There is no such thing as a part-time vegan. If a person sees veganism as a fashion thing, and this person wants to be "in", or be a part of the "movement" then such meaningless words as Flexitarian, Reducitarians, etc.etc. are created. Even before my vegan times, I had days when I only ate veggies, cheese and had milk, yet at those times, the word was not born yet. It came later. So, what is the point? If I only smoke one cigarette a day, I am still a smoker. So, if you eat once a week meat, you are still an omnivore – it is that easy. No need for more words to confuse people. There is no such thing as a part-time vegan!

  55. I think when you’re trying to talk about diet and the environment yeah sure this helps. But veganism isn’t about the planet or about health, it’s about the animals. Those things are an extended benefit.

  56. Wishy washy. Get off the fence and go Vegan. You can’t be mostly vegetarian if you eat meat. You can be mostly plant-based. However, Veganism isn’t a just a diet it’s an ethical position. You either hold that position or you don’t. For the planet, for the animals, for your health, for the ethical principle, consider Veganism. It’s a process, a journey of a thousand miles, start by taking one step.

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